At The End of the Line was Hillary

Last night was a little unusual in my quiet life.  At a local college in NW Pennsylvania, a rally was planned for Hillary Clinton, with just a couple of days notice. As might have  been expected, the plans were poorly made for the size of the crowd that arrived to see Hillary.  Because you see, we haven't had a primary in Pennsylvania in many decades and practice is needed in what to expect.  We have just had to go along with whatever the rest of the country decided for us.  Not this time.

I object to poorly made plans at rallies like this because I usually end up being tortured by the results as I and so many others were made to do last night.  We waited in 38 degree weather for over 2 hours to get into the rally. We waited in bitterly cold wind and snow , and because the weather had changed significantly during the day many of us had thin spring jackets on. My friends and some family members arrived an hour and forty-five minutes early, and waited in a line that wound all the way across campus before we were cleared by security and could go in. But in the end, after all the hassle and cold, people were roaring when Hillary walked into the room, and were ready to show her how much we appreciated the time she took to stop there.

But, that is not what I am writing to tell you about last night.  Most of all, I want to explain how my heart unexpectedly swelled when I was walking onto the floor of the gym where the rally was held.  I was so proud of the people of Pennsylvania and my small city for coming to show their support for Hillary Clinton, and for encouraging her to stay in the fight until the end.  This despite announcements coming from all sides from Obama supporters, politicians, and media telling us that the campaign is all over, and we shouldn't claim a right to vote our hopes and dreams for the "sake of the party".  Really, it seems their calls are for the sake of Obama, and themselves, without a thought to millions of others who participate in the same society as equals.  In my city in my state, we have not even begun to fight and it is telling that there is such tremendous interest in a candidacy that supposedly is not alive, and barely limping along.

My thoughts were on a lot more than Hillary's words as I looked around the room during her great speech. There was such interest and participation from the students who were holding signs and taking in her words about education, "No Child Left Behind", and the cost of education, which in her young years was minimized by loans from the government at 2% interest.  I looked at all the mothers, fathers, and children there seeing the strength, and capability of a woman who is a fighter and a hard worker and could be the best president in my lifetime if given the chance, and I was proud of being a woman with her as my representative.  I was proud of her kindness and sincere warmth and friendliness when she talked with people afterwards, signed their signs, and posed with them for pictures after having already been to 2 other cities earlier in the day.  I wondered how anyone could see anything but humanity in her, because I have never seen anything other than a reflection of a genuine person in her face.

Governor Rendell was an unnanounced guest at the rally.  He dynamically introduced Hillary Clinton, calling on the crowd to say what we thought about Leahy, and others calling for Hillary to leave the race.  The crowd was not kind in our reaction to the question.  Once home again, I turned on the news, and a local newscaster remarked that some analysts are worried that forcing Hillary out of the campaign would damage the Democratic Party.  It takes a newscaster in a small city in Pennsylvania to voice what I and many others know.  The damage to the party will come with the attempts to force a candidate out and deprive people in our democracy of making a choice, not from letting Democracy go forward. If only those calling for her to leave would realize the extent of the damage they are already doing.  Much of it cannot be undone.



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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 14)

Thank you for this dairy. this is what a democracy is about,allowing all voices to be heard.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:34:28 PM EST

Rise, Hillary! (2.00 / 8)

Rise!


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:59:51 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 4)

I agree.  If Obama is our nominee he will suffer from this attempt to push Hillary out.  I think there will be a backlash, and then we may ALL have to suffer through a McCain Presidency.  


by easyE on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:36:31 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Ya think there'll be any less of a backlash against her tactics.  
Face it, whoever wins this pyrrhric dance to the death will have to seriously mend fences with half or more of their base repulsed by how they got there.
As an Obama supporter I'm less than pleased with calls for Clinton to leave the race.  
You as a good hopefull democrat supporting your very fine candidate should be at least bothered by the Rovian whispering campaign Ickes admitted to yesterday.   http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/04/ickes_confirms_hes_been_ pushin.php

So yeah the old dudes calling for her to quit was unattractive and provided her a rallying cry.

Harold Ickes behavior is no less reprehensible and for my money far far more toxic long term.

I'm sure others will disagree.  And before you all start screaming "it's whats the republicans would do"...let me pre empt you by saying that that is exactly why it is so reprehensible for a Dem to do it.  Especially someone from the campaign of the target of such tactics all these years.  It's akin to McCain's vote for torture. It's happened to you.  It was dishonest and disgusting when done to you.  It is no less so now.


by tired of dynasties on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:40:23 PM EST
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Who knows - maybe none of us will scream - (none / 0)

maybe not even whisper.  


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:57:15 PM EST
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Thou dost protest too much, methinks. (2.00 / 2)

As half of a mixed race marriage, I am less disturbed by Ickes' comments and manoeuvres than by the drumbeat in favor of Hillary's stepping down.


The fascist takeover of America has already occurred; but the people have not yet realized.
by magnetics on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:09:28 AM EST
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Re: Thou dost protest too much, methinks. (none / 0)

I protest too mildly.  I reiterate that I'm not pleased by the calls for her to step down. I'm not outraged either.

I have to ask,with total sincerity, is it really ok with you for a Dem to use Republican tactics against another Dem?  Is that not just becoming what you hate?  Really, I'd like to attempt to understand. It's really easy to get lost shouting at yourself in the echo chamber.

I suppose the view through the glass depends on which side of it you are on.  

And I am one half of a lilly white marriage although my beloved sometimes opines that it might be an mixed-species marraige.  


by tired of dynasties on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:46:30 AM EST
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Re: Thou dost protest too much, methinks. (2.00 / 6)

Need we remind you about the "Harry and Louise" ads? Those were directly out of the Republican play book.

How about the politics of personal destruction being waged at the Clintons, trying to paint them as rascists?

Please, save the holier than thou stuff.  Just save it.  Obama and his campaign staff are not saints.  They're politicians.  They've played dirty -- plenty.


by joanneleon on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 01:20:50 AM EST
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Re: Thou dost protest too much, methinks. (2.00 / 1)

For starters, no one I knew accused Hillary Clinton of racism; we were bothered by what we saw as an attempt at running a southern strategy.

I genuinely believe that "who played the race card?" is NEVER going to get resolved.  I was supporting Edwards, saw it in real time, and was absolutely appalled at what I saw the Clinton campaign doing.  Other people honestly did not see it and instead saw the Obama campaign attempting to trick people into seeing the Clinton campaign doing things that they would never do.

I still hold to my opinion - it would be dishonest of me not to - and I don't think you are ever going to get Obama supporters to agree with you that there was a nefarious attempt to paint the Clintons as racist.

As a fellow progressive, I want to support you and want you to support me.  This is just one of those things that I think a lot of us are going to have to disagree on and leave it at that.


by Mostly on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:59:05 AM EST
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Re: Thou dost protest too much, methinks. (2.00 / 2)

How precisely am I being "holier than thou"?  This whole fratricidal thing, which I also have gotten sucked into, really has gotten out of hand.  
So if I came across that way I apologize.  
I'm coming to understand that there is a strong automatic impulse to take every negative thing said about your side and feel it as a personal affront.  Probably this is no real suprise to many who are no doubt more astute than I.

It is genuinely hard to see past the bile to the viewpoint of the other side.  
Perhaps the first casualty of a campaign like this is not truth but Empathy.
Thank you for letting me know why you feel the way you do. While I doubt that it will change my affiliation it will change my tone.
It also helps me to realize that the other side has real greivances also.


by tired of dynasties on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:44:17 PM EST
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Re: Thou dost protest too much, methinks. (none / 0)

These are exactly the tactics that BO's campaign used to question HRC's electability.  Example 1 is the talk of Hillary's negatives.  That's just repeating right wing nonsense.  Example 2 is BO's campaign using the Harry and Louise type add to scare voters that Hillary will attach their salaries.  If one campaign can use perceived negatives, why can't the other.  I think it is perfectly reasonable to use the controversy of BO's relationship with Wright to point out that there are a lot of voters that will not consider voting for him.  It is being argued in light of electability.  I have posted in the past that I have 2 firm Hillary supporters in my family who will not vote for BO, but will vote for Ralph Nader, or McCain.  I don't agree with them, and will lobby very hard for them to vote for whoever the nominee is, but if you don't realize that there are millions of voters that feel as they do, you are naive


by moonheart on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 06:11:37 AM EST
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Re: Hillary's electability (none / 0)


These are exactly the tactics that BO's campaign used to question HRC's electability.  Example 1 is the talk of Hillary's negatives.  That's just repeating right wing nonsense.


I don't agree that it is just right wing spin to question Hillary's electability.  Look at this recent poll from Gallup asking who people would least like to become president.

 

 


by Fred in Vermont on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:52:28 AM EST
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Re: Thou dost protest too much, methinks. (none / 0)

I do realize it.  Please also realize that the opposite is also true.


by tired of dynasties on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:29:59 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 3)

I don't think that's so bad.  We know that Wright will be brought up in the GE.  Since the Wright experience, Obama's numbers in relation to McCain have gone down.  They are below Hillary's numbers for some of the main swing states.  Some of them are listed on realclearpolitics.com front page, on the right side.  With a mix of the Republicans, conservatives, and even right wingers in the south, patriotism is a big deal.  And Wrights words as seen by some of these people are a concern.


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:17:23 AM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

The nature of swiftboating is that how destructive it is is a direct function of how prolific it is.  One ad from the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth would have had no impact on the 2004 elections; what killed John Kerry was the constant playing and replaying of the charges and the echo effect in the MSM.

The Wright story is similar.  Obama's pastor said something that would bug some people.  If you show it a single time, it can be explained and put in context.  That becomes impossible when you hear "God damn America" next to a picture of Wright, next to a picture of Obama, and look here's a picture of the two embracing, let's hear the clip one more time and juxtapose it with a photo of Obama and lets all knit our brows and look at a picture of Obama while the people on TV are talking about the Wright controversy.  What controversy is that?  Let's play the clip again.  Wolf, is Barack Obama going anti-American?  Let's look at the exit polls.  How is Obama's 20-year relationship with Rev. Wright affecting his support among whites?  Let's look at the clip again.  David, is this going to be a concern?  Let's look at the exit polls again.  White women are moving back into Hillary's column.  Is this because of the Jeremiah Wright controversy?  

and on and on and on.  Do you get my point?


by Mostly on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:17:05 AM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

You are correct in your analysis.  Apply that to the constant negative echo chamber of the media constantly going after Hillary.  You're right it is destructive.  However, that doesn't change the effect that the whole controversy will have on BO's electability.  And HRC's campaign pointing this out is just doing their job of comparing electability problems. It is also correct that they have to point out the effect of the negative attention.


by moonheart on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 06:18:30 AM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

I am applying to Hillary Clinton's electability, which is why you'll rarely see me say negative things about her.

My point isn't about her raising this with the superdelegates, it's her raising it and then leaking that to the press.

"Breaking news!  Clinton aide Harold Ickes admit to discussing the Jeremiah Wright story with superdelegates.  We're going to go now to Candy Crowley in Washington for the report, Candy?"


by Mostly on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:56:56 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I truly believe the pile on that Hillary has endured is worser than anything that Obama has experienced.


by Check077 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:08:18 AM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Let's see, Obama admitted on national TV that the Rev. Wright controversy will likely come up during the GE, probably via 527 ads.  But now Clinton is not allowed to mention it as a flaw in his GE candidacy?  Yet he continuously brings up her flaws as a GE candidate, but that's ok?  Sorry if I'm having trouble keeping up with the double standard.


by AnnC on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 11:54:26 AM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

Bile aside, that was an angle I hadn't thought of.  


by tired of dynasties on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:33:53 PM EST
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I think Wright is appropriate thing to consider (none / 0)

Good judgment seems to be a primary Obama selling point. You may disagree, but I and many voters probably don't see good judgment in remaining in (obviously racist) Wright's congregation. I agree with Lanny Davis that it is an appropriate issue to consider:

DAVIS: . . . I think the appropriate issue to raise is -- and I still don't know the answer -- is when did Senator Obama hear these hate-filled sermons or newsletters? Did he know of them? Why did he not leave the congregation? And why did he appoint him his religious advisor in the campaign?

I don't hold it against him for any of those answers. I think he's got to answer them. And then people will have to decide whether he exercised good judgment.

COLMES: Lanny, that speech on race, he's addressed directly. He said he's distanced himself from those particular remarks. He has said everything I think he needs to say.

I don't know more -- you're in league with those people who, you know, obviously don't like Obama, because you want Hillary Clinton. I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'm very uncomfortable with going after somebody based on who their preacher is and what is said in the pulpit in a church which is a personal choice.

DAVIS: Alan, I respect your reaction, and I respect Senator Obama's decision, if that's a decision that he heard that chickens coming home to roost, his own minister, is what 9/11 was about, and decided to say. That's a decision I'd like him to explain.

If it were my rabbi who is using hate speech about America or about African-Americans or about any generic description, I would leave my synagogue. Now, that's my decision. You can react differently, but it is an appropriate issue, Alan. Because it's out there, and it's being talked about.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/04/lanny_davis_on_ickes_wright_st .html


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:34:20 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

According to Gallup, only 20percent of respondents DON'T want to see Obama become President, compared to 40 percent for Invincible McCain.
So where's the backlash going to come from?
by spirowasright on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 08:53:11 PM EST
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Sounds like you had fun (2.00 / 6)

And Scotch, you should be proud.  The people of your state are about to play an important role in history.  Not as important as New Hampshire of course, but pretty cool anyways.  ;-)


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:38:10 PM EST

Re: Sounds like you had fun (2.00 / 5)

Next time, we're moving our primary to Christmas Eve.  Did you hear?


by Scotch on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:53:33 PM EST
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Re: Sounds like you had fun (2.00 / 6)

i thought all PA voters were sober when they vote. how is this new primary date going to affect the outcome ? :-)

EXCELLENT diary, by the way. your community oughta be proud of themselves- they think for themselves, and make their own decisions. that's all hillary ever asked for- a chance to earn every vote.


by campskunk on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:11:20 PM EST
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Re: Sounds like you had fun (2.00 / 3)

Hopefully, New Hampster will be drunk too, and not notice he has been kicked out of the number two spot, and Iowa out of the number one. Heh.


by Scotch on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:19:32 PM EST
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I relate to your words (2.00 / 7)

I was privileged to wait in line for eight hours in order to see Hillary Clinton appear at UC Santa Barbara.  My reaction was much the same as yours---

"I was proud of being a woman with her as my representative."

It was a great evening, and I wondered how anyone could possibly think anything other than positive thoughts about this person who has worked so hard and long to do good for our society.  From her days in college, to her days as a legal student fighting for the rights of the poor and children, to the activism she showed as a First Lady, and now in her second term as a U.S. Senator.  It was an honor to listen to her words and to see the sincerity and love she expressed as she stood long after her speech to shake hands, to sign autographs, to be a part of the thousands who had shown up to see her.  She is quite a lady, and she would make a great President.


by izarradar on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:38:22 PM EST

8 Hours is why (2.00 / 7)

I loved being a volunteer for Hillary in my state.  I'd go to events and point people in the right direction or sometimes clip board for reg. info.  Then the volunteers get ushered inside to reserved seats or standing area.

Volunteer for Hillary.  There's a lot more important things to do than blog.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:48:26 PM EST
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Agreed (2.00 / 3)

But some of us don't have those eight hours to devote totally to the campaign.  Blogging can be a few minutes here and there, and easier to fit into our life. We're all working in our own ways.


by izarradar on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:41:34 PM EST
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My phone is my friend... (2.00 / 3)

I've made hundreds of calls, and it really helps to know what voters are thinking.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:41:31 PM EST
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Re: I relate to your words (2.00 / 4)

Eight hours?  Now that would have been unbearable :)  Funny thing though, meeting and getting to know people in the line was one of the best parts of it.  Two were young guys from France, doing their internships in Ohio.  They drove all the way to see Hillary, and experience the process.  They were so thrilled when we came to the Secret Police vehicles.  Two of them had signs about the cars being the property of the Secret Police and Homeland Security, and the guys took about 5 pictures of those signs from all angles to take home with them to France.  


by Scotch on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:50:28 PM EST
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Re: I relate to your words (2.00 / 4)

I guess they are called the secret service here.  


by Scotch on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:02:31 PM EST
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Re: Nice post. (none / 0)

The simplistic, negative image of Hillary that is being fostered by some in the Obama camp bears no relation to the actual person.  I can accept that some democrats don't support her candidacy but why such anger and hatred toward someone who has been by and large a good democrat and whose constituents like and respect her?  She is not evil incarnate, nor is Obama a saint.  


by half nelson on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:52:58 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 6)

What a moving and exciting tribute to Hillary.  Thank you for weathering all that cold so you could tell us about seeing her!  

Wonderfully written too.  It's so nice to see good prose on these pages.


by susanhu on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:38:47 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 4)

Thank you!


by Scotch on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:51:36 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 4)

rocky baby ,

roll up your sleeves and get to work


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:44:33 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 5)

A very personal and well written diary.

Thanks so much for reminding us why we're not about to give up on our gal.


by bobbank on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:45:58 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 5)

Scotch, your diary made me teary-eyed, and in the best possible way.

Thanks for reminding us what is at stake and what democracy is really about.


by OtherLisa on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:13:40 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 5)

Sounds like a great event Scotch.  She's absolutely amazing isn't she?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:18:56 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 5)

Excellent, thank you so much for sharing.


by LindaSFNM on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:29:22 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Great diary, it gives great insight into the hearts of those who support Hillary.

I don't understand the whole pushing her out meme though.  Plenty of Edwards supporters still vote for him b/c his name was still on the ballot.  No matter what, Hillary supporters will get a chance to vote for her if they choose.  Obama can't take her off the ballot.  I'd venture to say if she suspended her campaign tomorrow there'd be a 50/50 chance she'd still win PA.  She's has a lot of strong support.  We have two great candidates and only one can be the nominee.


Bitter voter for change.
by Hope08 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:59:23 PM EST

Here's some real insight (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/4/2/14 1926/3908/10#10


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:43:02 PM EST
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Re: Here's some real insight (2.00 / 1)

that's not me. apology accepted.


Bitter voter for change.
by Hope08 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:45:23 PM EST
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Re: Here's some real insight (2.00 / 1)

The Hidden Hope has a full in its name.  Probably supposed to be a fool.  

This one is just Hope08.  So confusing sometimes.


by Scotch on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:34:28 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 4)

Thank you, Scotch, for a wonderfully written, heart-felt diary.  You reflect my thoughts/feelings when I see Hillary on television or hear her speak.  I haven't had the chance of seeing her speak in person, but I hope I do have that opportunity some day.  She's an inspiration to me, too.  She's a fighter, which is what we need, for all of us.  Her standing up to the MSM when Chelsea was insulted, and her standing up for the rest of the voters to have their say in the primary are only an inkling of what she'll do if we are fortunate enough to have her lead our country.


truthseeker2
by truthseeker2 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:33:38 PM EST

Poll the swing states--Hillary wins (2.00 / 1)

Swing States--PA, MI,FL, OH, MI,NM, NH, IOWA, NV,

Hillary wins the swing states vs McCain compared to Obama vs McCain.

That is why Hillary is the most electable.


by jasmine on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:37:20 PM EST

Hillary shd keep repeating this (2.00 / 1)

Hillary should say and let her minions repeat this talking point:  

I am the most electable.  I win over McCain on the swingstates. compared to Obama vs McCain.

And the country cant afford to lose to McCain --why?  health care,  Iraq, Iran, economy,corruption.

Ther is serious consequence to the country if McCain wins.  Obama is inspiring but he cant win over McCain.  and the country cant afford to have another Republican in the whitehouse.


by jasmine on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:41:11 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Yes, Scotch!  I had many of these same feelings when I attended Hillary's rally at San Diego State University. Thanks for writing it up.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:02:12 PM EST

Oh Scotch - (2.00 / 3)

what a lovely diary.  Recommended.  You did my heart good tonight.

Recc'd.


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:25:12 PM EST

Nailed it! (2.00 / 3)

I looked at all the mothers, fathers, and children there seeing the strength, and capability of a woman who is a fighter and a hard worker and could be the best president in my lifetime if given the chance, and I was proud of being a woman with her as my representative.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:39:17 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Thank you all for your great comments!  Sometimes the outside world gets the best of us who support Hillary, and we get pretty worn down.  It helps to get together with others who share the same feelings so we can remind ourselves that people are still out there, millions of them, who feel strongly about Hillary, and still want her as president.  That is what is so nice about being with you on a diary that is not being haunted by those who don't.  


by Scotch on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:40:01 PM EST

She's my girl! (2.00 / 3)

And so are you, Scotch-Hopscotch!


by Radiowalla on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 11:54:42 PM EST

Re: She's my girl! (2.00 / 1)

Heh  


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:01:06 AM EST
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Re: She's my girl! (2.00 / 0)

Busted!


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:44:50 AM EST
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Superb (2.00 / 3)

Thank you for sharing that!

John


Never let the bullies win.
by SluggoJD on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:11:28 AM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 3)

I too was at the rally and was struck by Hillary's plans for putting this country back on track.
I was heartened by the mix of people- young and old, red, yellow, brown, black and white, men and women, boys and girls. Americans all- excited and proud to be part of this great country. Eager to cast their votes.
Thanks for writing Scotch- sorry- my sign was commandeered by the campaign staff! It will be returned to me next time I go up to phone bank.
And no matter what the outcome, i will always save my sign

College educated AND Voting Hillary! My grandchildren will love the stories of this election.


by ProudMilitaryMom on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:28:08 AM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 2)

You know, I thought about you and your sign, and didn't remember seeing any homemade signs.  I figured they confiscated them as people were coming in.  Hope you didn't freeze waiting, or maybe you were one of the smart ones who came early to be at the front of the line. :)


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:36:05 AM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 2)

This is the kind of pro-Hillary diary that I miss.  Congrats on writing a positive piece that doesn't go for gutter attacks on Obama.  Have a recommend from an Obama supporter, you deserve it.  Not all of us are so blind that we can't recognize that there are decent, honest progressive Democrats on both sides of this primary.


by Skaje on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:19:52 AM EST

Another rec from an Obama supporter. (2.00 / 1)

I harbor no ill-feelings toward your choice and if she wins I will support her in the GE.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:28:58 AM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I got goosebumps ready this!  Thanks for making my day.


by PGraber on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:15:02 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

Correction:  "READING" this.  Sorry.


by PGraber on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:15:29 PM EST

Re: Yes, Great Diary (2.00 / 2)

Thanks, it's great to hear the voices of smalltown Americans who support the democratic process--instead of the voices of the elite party leaders who want to suppress our democratic process by disenfranchising democratic votes in two states, isn't it?

Keep fighting Sen. Clinton. You will get my vote in November.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 12:36:46 PM EST

Re: Donate! Make calls! Volunteer! (2.00 / 2)

Thank you, Scotch.  

Just wanted to mention that if you are in NYC there are frequently scheduled buses to take volunteers to PA.  Call campaign headquarters in Philly.


On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 01:02:00 PM EST

Re: Donate! Make calls! Volunteer! (2.00 / 2)

Here's the link for NYC to PA buses:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/actioncent er/event/view/?id=12326
On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 01:18:49 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 2)

That sounds like you had a great time. What city were you in?

I'm looking for PA to pull this out big for Hillary. I just wanted to say that it has been disclosed just as we thought that PPP changed it's model increasing AA and youth %s. That is why the poll went from +26 Clinton 03/17 to +2 Obama 04/03.

That is so disingenous and shows that both polls can't be compared. Of course, the biashed media didn't point this out. I read this in print media today but suspected it all along.


by shark on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 01:24:06 PM EST

Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

PPP seems a lot like ARG.  Both have a life of their own regardless of reality.  


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:22:15 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I felt very much the same as you when I went to hear her speak.  It was a very interesting mix in the crowd - interestingly enough more men than women.  We waited 2 1/2 hours for her to arrive.  There were 2,500 people in the room - filled to capacity with another 2,500 in the overflow room.  It was very exciting to be part of history and to hear this inspirational woman speak in person.  It is something I will never forget.  I only hope that she makes it to the GE and I can bring my 8 year old daughter to hear her next time she comes to my town.


by JustJennifer on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:30:34 PM EST

An eloquent diary to be sure (none / 0)


   but I have a question for you. Why are you talking about "voting your hopes and dreams?" Hillary has mocked Obama for running his campaign based on hope and has taunted him by saying that dreams and words don't work, results do.

  So are you (and Clinton) now saying that hoping and dreaming is ok?


by southernman on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:32:17 PM EST

Re: An eloquent diary to be sure (none / 0)

Clinton didn't say anthing about hopes and dreams.  In my case, I set the hopes and dreams, and know exactly what they are.  That is a little different than a candidate running on hope, but not being real specific.  However, my dreams are not part of a campaign.  They're part of me, and I see Clinton being able to help me reach and the rest of the country being able them easier than the other candidates.


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:20:31 PM EST
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Re: At The End of the Line was Hillary (none / 0)

"If only rational people were allowed to vote, Hillary Clinton would win the presidency in a landslide."

<Rolls eyes>. Don't you see how fascist this statement is? If only people who were X were allowed to vote, Y would be the President?

I voted for Hillary for the Senate. I am someone who  has liked Hillary. However, liking her as a person does not mean that I like, or have to like, how she has run her campaign. By any objective measure she has run the opposite of the campaign she ran for the senate (i.e. it has been a very poor campaign). She is currently losing by every objective measure, and a recent poll says that most Democrats think she would lose to McCain more than they think Obama will lose to McCain, but she continues to insist that Obama cannot win (even though she is losing to him). What logic is there to this?

I saw Bill Clinton speak in Seattle in '92. I, too, was inspired, but I never fooled myself into believing he was anything other than a politician. I feel the same way about Obama or Hillary.


by DrPolitics on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 07:48:59 PM EST

I find it most Ironic (none / 0)

    That Hillary Clinton is resisting being "pushed out" of the contest, because she and her minions pushed Wes Clark out  in Feb of 2003, and she personally prevailed upon Mark Warner last year not to pursue a run for the Presidency "for the good of the Party".
   Nevermind. God willing, Obama's going all the way to the WH.
Emily MacRae
by egmacrae on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:08:22 PM EST

Re: I find it most Ironic (none / 0)

Funny.  Wes Clark must be a really forgiving guy, Mark Warner too.  Unless there is another side to your story.


by Scotch on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 09:15:23 PM EST
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Re: I find it most Ironic (none / 0)

No doubt.  But I think Clark is a loyal soldier and that Mark Warner was intimidated by them.


Emily MacRae
by egmacrae on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 10:27:20 PM EST
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